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We proposed the Audio HAL project to consider having a F2F meeting possibly on a half-day on Day 2

Date

From Tuesday the 4th of February to Wednesday 5th of February

Minutes 20200204-05-AASIG-F2F-meeting-minutes

Venue

BMW at Petuelring 130, 80809 Munich in Germany.

Contact Person

Alexander Domin : +4915160160632

Agenda

Time

Day 1

09.00

Welcome, logistics (e.g. IT) and agenda review


Vehicle HAL Security design (owner) (duration)
09:30-10:00

Access control and permissions in Android (Stefan) (30mn)

  • Build connection VSS to Android permissions model
  • How to verify permissions
10:00-10:30

External service approach - how to use Adaptive AUTOSAR Identity & Access Management (IAM)  (Alexander - TBC) (30mn)

  • = which authentication methods exist and could be used ?
  • Adaptive Autosar Identity and Access management has a general philosophy, defined names and concepts.  It is a basis for discussion because it describes a model  around interaction between entities (not details or protocols).
  • /TODO/ Alexander sync with Giovanni Vergine on Adaptive Autosar IAM prior to the F2F WIP
10:30-10:45Break
10:45-11:30

VSS Layers (Gunnar) (45mn)

  • concept could be used to put signals into access control groups
  • how to map the concept to Android permissions (how it will be done on the Android side)

11:30-12:00

Users vs. permissions - presentation of the zone concept in Android 10 (Piotr) (30mn)

  • Different users could have different permissions
    • For example audio zones...  Some users should not be able to control the audio.
    • But can this simply be built into the application rather ? is this only controlled based on the  application identity ?
12:00-12:30

Security design backlog review & update

  • Vectors of attack
    • as a recap following the discussion on solutions
    • brainstorming on which attacks are targeted with the solutions discussed ?
    • follow the attack tree modeling method ? (topic likely for a later stage / F2F)
  • recap on the morning outcome

12.30

Lunch, at BMW office


Vehicle HAL Technical Proposals - further refinement (owner, duration)
13:30-14:15

Android internal service (Some signal-connecting library using VSS standard) (Stefan) (45mn)

  • VSS to standard Vehicle HAL - detailed design  can be done right away.
    • Focus on:  "Easiest way" to expose data to Android applications
14:15-15:00

External services - SOME/IP (Gunnar) (45mn)

  • how to use SOME/IP to communicate with Adaptive AUTOSAR and/or Classic AUTOSAR ?
15:00-15:15Break
15:15-16:00

External services - VISS, REST/Web sockets (Gunnar - TBC) (45mn)

  • relevance of topic depends on OEM requirements
  • Gunnar can lead the discussion but needs inputs on whether REST/Web sockets are in scope)
  • /TODO/ Sachin, Alex, others provide inputs prior to the F2F

16:00-16:45

Compatibility Android and non-Android systems - common solutions (TBD) (45mn)

  • brainstorming needed prior to the F2F
  • /TODO/ Alexander sync with Giovanni Vergine and Piotr Krawczyk on FARACON project prior to the F2F WIP
  • Tool chains:   VSS (or Franca) to Android IDLs translation ?
16:45-17:15

Technical proposals - Backlog review & update

  • Decision point:  Which design to use (develop), or at least prioritize
    • ....Decide how the application layer should be fueliing the connection - e.g. direct socket connection or bound through android service
    • Once we have agreed on which design to follow , what parts are missing and need to be developed?
  • signal-to-service specification in AR 19-11
  • introduction to Android CDD (Sachin) (30mn TBC)
  • recap on the afternoon outcome

17:15

end of Day 1

Time

Day 2

Time

Day 2

08.30

Start



08:30-9:00Agenda bashing

9:00-9:45

Common topic : introduction to the Automotive Virtualization Platform Specification (Gunnar, 45mn)

  • standard audio interfaces
  • other relevant standard interfaces


9:45-10:15Splitting break


Audio HAL
Vehicle HAL
10:15 -11:30

Work on highest priority topics of Audio HAL backlog - Source Management (Bartosz TBC)

  • Networked audio devices
  • Multi-source management:  Multi‐source multi‐sink
    • stream types, audio zones handling, still limited to one sink ?, limited number of sources
  • Limited number of priorities (2), No priorities of phone call types.
10:30-12:15

Brainstorming

  • Decision point:  Which design to use (develop), or at least prioritize
  • What parts are missing and need to be developed ?
11:30-12:15

Work on highest priority topics of Audio HAL backlog - Common HAL (Piotr+1)

  • Controlling audio effects
  • Audio data transfer
  • Multiple audio channels
  • Equalization

12.15-13:15

Lunch

12.15-13:15

Lunch

13:15-14:00

Audio HAL - backlog review and update (All Audio HAL participants) (45mn)

  • recap on the morning outcome
  • discussion on additional extensions to Audio HAL that "would not change too many things"

  • discussion on the part of the Audio HAL that could common for all SoC vendors

  • review of the list of prioritarized topics

13:15-14:00

Vehicle HAL - backlog review and update (All Vehicle HAL participants) (45mn)

  • recap on the morning outcome
  • backlog update

14:00

End of Audio HAL split meeting

14.00-14:15

Merging Break


14.15-15:30

Vehicle HAL topics (TBD)


15:30-16:00

Wrap-up



16:00End of Day 2

Planned Attendees

Name

Attending

VHALAUDIO

Arrival day; flight no and time

Departure day; flight no and time

Hotel

Notes

Car Parking?



117




F2FYESYES




F2FYESYES


Vegetarian Food
F2FYES





F2F
YES




F2FYES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no
F2F
YES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no
F2FYES

LO353

3 Feb 2020 18:55

LO354

5 Feb 2020 19:45

Arthotel ANA Olympiapark
no
telcoYES





F2FYESYES




telcoYES



If you need to discuss h/w feel free to contact me to phone in. Meanwhile I spend the time improving the Genivi LAVA automated test system
F2FYESYESby Carby CarTBD
yes please
telcoYESYES


Andrey has a demo scheduled on 6 February and will likely be preempted totally by it
F2FYESYESMonday 3 FebruaryThursday 6 February

no
F2FYES



Joining the first dayno

Transportation

  • From Munich Airport:
    • Ticket to bay:  M-5 (11.50€ for a single)
    • Take the S-Bahn S1 from the Airport (direction citi center).
    • Change to the U-Bahn U3 in Moosach (direction Fürstenrid West).
    • Exit the U-Bahn on Petuelring or Olympiazenter.
  • From Munich central railway station:
    • Ticket to bay:  M (3.30€ for a single)
    • Take the U-Bahn U2 from the Munich central railway station (direction Feldmoching)
    • Change to the U-Bahn U3 in Scheidplatz (direction Moosach).
    • Exit the U-Bahn on Petuelring or Olympiazenter.
  • By Car:

Accommodation / Hotels


City

Hotel nameAddressZIP

Price 2020 (EUR)

Breakfast

Internet

Parking

Breakfast time

Breakfast-To-Go

Booking scode

MunichArthotel ANA OlympiaparkHelene-Mayer-Ring 128080990,00includedincluded12,00 €06:30-10:00No
Munich Super 8 Munich City North Frankfurter Ring 1438060779,00includedincluded15,00 €06:30-10:00No
Munich Leonardo Hotel Munich City OlympiaparkDachauer Str. 1998063790,00includedincluded17,00 €06:30-10:30No
Munich Harry's Home Hotel MünchenBunzlauer Platz 58099289,00includedincluded15,00 €07:00-10:00NoBuchungscode M_C88LI
Munich Adagio access München City Olympiapark Am Oberwiesenfeld 208080987,00includedincluded8,00 €06:30-10:00No
Munich Park Inn Frankfurter RingFrankfurter Ring 20-228080787,00includedincluded18,00 €06:30-10:00Yes
Munich Ibis Hotel München NordUngererstrasse 1398080582,00includedincluded11,00 €06:00-10:00No
Munich Ruby Lilly Hotel Munich City CenterDachauer Str. 378033588,00includedincluded17,00 €06:30-10:30NoLCOFIXBLXBMW
Munich Vienna House Easy Munich (ehem. arcona)Nymphenburger Str. 1368062690,00includedincluded18,00 €06:30-10:30Yes
Munich Motel One Deutsches MuseumRablstraße 28166990,50includedincluded12,00 €06:00-10:00Yes
Munich Motel One München Olympia-GatePetra-Kelly-Straße 48079780,50includedincluded 9,00 €06:00-10:00Yes
Munich Rilano 24|7 Hotel München CitySchillerstraße 178033695,00includedincludednot available06:30-10:30No
Munich Courtyard by Marriott City CenterSchwanthalerstraße 378033699,00includedincluded25,00 €06:30-11:00No

Date Planning

Edit the table below to indicate your status with respect to the proposed dates for the F2F, entering one of the following:

Symbol

Meaning


[empty] Not yet determined

YES

this day works fine for me

no

This day definitely does not work for me

??

This day could work, but I would prefer not to

If you would use case exactly as shown ("YES", "no") that would help for visually scanning the table.

There are a lot of people to try to schedule to suitable dates, so please be as generous as possible in specifying "YES" or "??"

Availability planning

Name

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

+

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

Jan

+

FebFebFebFebFeb

Notes

please indicate F2F or telco

(and write AUDIO if you are interested
primarily in Audio HAL meeting)


20

21

22

23

24

+

27

28

29

30

31

+

34567


Total YES












+






 

Total no












+






 

??????????
YESYESYESYESno

+

??YESYESYESYES

F2F, VHAL & Audio







YESYES


+


YESYES

F2F, VHAL (will add another colleague for audio)

YESYESYESYES??
??YESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F

Johan

??YESYESYES??
??YESYESYES??

+

??YESYESYES??

 Partly via Telco, VHAL

Pete










+







Sachin










+


YESYES

F2F, VHAL (AUDIO)

YESYESYESYESYES
YESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F, VHAL (exact person not decided)

Pontus










+







GuruYESYESYESYESYES
YESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYES

F2F

Gerald










+







NONONONONO
NONONONONO

+

NONONONONO

F2F. Audio/vehicle. Can't travel.




????





+

YESYESYESYESYES

Telco (need to check travel but would prefer to

get domain expert from within company)

??YESYESYES??
??YESYESYES??

+

??YESYESYES??

F2F

Nadim Iskandar +1
(MOBIS Frankfurt office)

(+1 is registering)

YESYESYESYESYES
YESYESYESYESYES

+

YESYESYESYESYES

F2F, AUDIO

NONONONONO
NONONONONO

+

NONONONONO

Will not be able to travel those days












+


YESYES

F2F/Telco, AUDIO












+



YES

AUDIO













+



















+







Rooms available at BMW







YESYES


+


YES

YES

One room in february with video conference

Agenda backlog


Draft agenda planning here.

<Title of proposal (Template)>

  • Proposer: <Person proposing topic>
  • Responsible group: Vehicle HAL project / Audio HAL project
  • Topic owner: <Person leading topic (may be different from Proposer)>
  • Length: <How much time is required for this session>
  • Abstract: <Short description of topic>
  • Content:



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