Agenda
- Build Tools - UML Modeling - Debugging and Analysis - Automated Testing
- AOB
| paulsherwood | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting Starts == | 14:00 |
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| paulsherwood | any takers? :) | 14:00 |
| * paulsherwood thinks lots of folks are now either a) scrambling towards CES or b) sliding towards xmas | 14:00 | |
| gmacario | Hi Paul! | 14:01 |
| gmacario | I was unsure whether we had already moved the date/time | 14:01 |
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| klausbirken | hi all | 14:01 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: sorry for the confusion. it was discussed last week but afaik no decision was taken | 14:01 |
| gmacario | I can then delete my draft email :P | 14:01 |
| paulsherwood | :) | 14:02 |
| gmacario | OK, NP | 14:02 |
| paulsherwood | pre-agenda... has everyone been able to try the new at.projects.genivi.org wiki? | 14:02 |
| gmacario | Yes I did | 14:02 |
| gmacario | But did not try to change my password (yet) | 14:02 |
| paulsherwood | that worked for me :) | 14:03 |
| gmacario | OTOH I noticed that some people are still updating genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/ | 14:03 |
| gmacario | which makes things confusing at least | 14:03 |
| paulsherwood | ok, shall we begin? i think this may be a short meeting | 14:03 |
| klausbirken | I tried to login, but it didn't work | 14:03 |
| klausbirken | entered severl captchas.. | 14:03 |
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| paulsherwood | yup | 14:05 |
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| paulsherwood | there were some teething problems... should be ok now i believe | 14:05 |
| gmacario | I would recommend to make genivi-oss.atlassian.net/wiki/ read-only then | 14:05 |
| klausbirken | do I have to contact Joel to reset my login? | 14:05 |
| paulsherwood | no... just follow the links and reset shoudl work | 14:06 |
| gmacario | Someone may have not noticed the banner | 14:06 |
| klausbirken | ok, I'll try | 14:06 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: you mean on the old wiki? i agree | 14:06 |
| gmacario | Yes the old wiki | 14:06 |
| * paulsherwood hopes this transition will end, at some point :-) | 14:06 | |
| gmacario | +1! | 14:06 |
| paulsherwood | anyways... shwll we get going? | 14:06 |
| gmacario | Well at least another transition is being planned for the top level domain IIUC | 14:07 |
| paulsherwood | - Build Tools - | 14:07 |
| gmacario | How about JIRA? We have also transitioned to genivi-oss.atlassian.net? | 14:07 |
| gmacario | Same comments regarding updates of the old JIRA instance | 14:07 |
| gmacario | ^^ s/to genivi-oss.atlassian.net/from genivi-oss.atlassian.net to at.projects.genivi.org/ | 14:08 |
| paulsherwood | i think our target needs to be jira at.projects.genivi.org | 14:08 |
| paulsherwood | this is rather chaotic, i know | 14:08 |
| * paulsherwood notes that if we'd used an open source soln, we could have been done ages ago :-) | 14:09 | |
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| gmacario | paulsherwood: Not sure I understand why | 14:09 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: ok | 14:10 |
| * paulsherwood is failing to find last week's minutes :/ | 14:11 | |
| * gunnarx_ is distracted by another meeting unfortunately | 14:11 | |
| gmacario | Anyway, do we have an agenda for today? | 14:11 |
| paulsherwood | here's the original https://irclogs.baserock.org/automotive/%23automotive.2015-11-23.log.html#t2015-11-23T14:00:01 | 14:11 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario: we've ended up with a standard agenda, based on the charter | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | ie: | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | Agenda | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | - Build Tools | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | - UML Modeling | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | - Debugging and Analysis | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | - Automated Testing | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | - AOB | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | we're in the first item at the moment | 14:12 |
| gunnarx_ | are we on build tools now? | 14:12 |
| paulsherwood | yup | 14:13 |
| gunnarx_ | So about my comments last week, I still stand by them but it looks like I managed to get through all the depenencies for IONAS | 14:13 |
| gunnarx_ | still think the approach for franca_install_automation is very time consuming, but on the other hand, now it's more maintenance as projects get updated | 14:14 |
| gunnarx_ | but I'm not looking forward to adding lots of new eclipse packages to it. | 14:14 |
| * paulsherwood notes that there is some kind of disruption to freenode, some (eg web) attendees may be unable to connect | 14:14 | |
| gunnarx_ | Also, haven't been able to run IONAS very successfully so I can't say 100% sure that the installed package versions work. | 14:15 |
| klausbirken | good that you finally managed to include IoNAS in the automated build | 14:15 |
| klausbirken | BTW: maybe there is a way to do new installations once in Eclipse, and then export the necessary dependencies. | 14:15 |
| klausbirken | at least there is a "plug-in dependencies view" in Eclipse, which shows a tree view. | 14:15 |
| gunnarx_ | klausbirken, I've done something similar | 14:16 |
| gunnarx_ | I installed in eclipse manually, then looked at what the result was. but it was still a huge pain, I was switching between the latest, and the exact version used by IONAS, and so on | 14:16 |
| klausbirken | gunnarx_: Regarding IoNAS: could you run a basic example? context menu of a fcon-file? | 14:17 |
| gunnarx_ | It gets worse when things are a bit outdated. I mean I imagine we want IONAS running on the latest versions of other projects rather than very old. And on Eclipse Mars | 14:17 |
| gunnarx_ | can we improve things by working together? The churn on package updates, and their dependencies really is very complex in Eclipse. | 14:17 |
| gunnarx_ | So... in anticipation for next Franca, and next CommonAPI, ... | 14:17 |
| paulsherwood | folks: would it be ok for us to take this to a phonecall? some attendees are unable to access irc today | 14:17 |
| gunnarx_ | ok by me | 14:18 |
| klausbirken | ok for me | 14:18 |
| gmacario | OK for me - which number? | 14:18 |
| paulsherwood | we can use the usual number | 14:19 |
| paulsherwood | 41 49 19 94 02 | 14:19 |
| * paulsherwood has opened the call | 14:20 | |
| gmacario | Is that a GENIVI bridge? | 14:20 |
| paulsherwood | sorry, yes | 14:20 |
| paulsherwood | https://genivi.webex.com/mw3000/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=genivi | 14:21 |
| klausbirken | this seems to be the passcode of the GENIVI webex meeting :-) | 14:21 |
| gunnarx_ | ... waiting for participants to join the call | 14:23 |
| * paulsherwood will summarise the call content | 14:23 | |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx_ is saying that the current method installs, but won't scalle | 14:24 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx_ has an ionas branch for klausbirken to try out | 14:25 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx is concerned about the dependency management for different components | 14:27 |
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| paulsherwood | klausbirken is discussing migration to artop | 14:29 |
| paulsherwood | - UML Modeling - | 14:30 |
| gunnarx_ | migration of some of the autosar packages that is. | 14:30 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx_: tvm | 14:30 |
| paulsherwood | klausbirken says no news wrt modelling... but there is a session on commmonapi at eg-si f2f | 14:31 |
| paulsherwood | gmacario explains the details | 14:31 |
| paulsherwood | philippe says that manfred has confirmed attendance | 14:32 |
| paulsherwood | klaus will join, but may be remote | 14:32 |
| paulsherwood | (video link may be possible... check with Ingo) | 14:33 |
| paulsherwood | - Debugging and Analysis - | 14:33 |
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| paulsherwood | we agreed action paulsherwood to write seeking suggestions/requests for debugging (possibly as enhancements to GDP) | 14:37 |
| paulsherwood | - Automated Testing - | 14:37 |
| paulsherwood | folks are struggling on bandwidth for this | 14:37 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx_ has been thinking about the additional infrastructure for ci pipeline - gerrit, git etc | 14:38 |
| paulsherwood | (believes it's not much work) | 14:38 |
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| paulsherwood | gunnarx_ is documenting his go.cd installation in scripts | 14:39 |
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| paulsherwood | gunnarx_ does not intend to commit to do the infrastructure maintenance | 14:40 |
| gunnarx_ | that's rephrasing what I said. I was talking about the install scripts in particular. | 14:40 |
| paulsherwood | sorry | 14:41 |
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| * paulsherwood asks how the maintenance will be done | 14:41 | |
| paulsherwood | this question is to be discussed at PMO | 14:48 |
| gunnarx_ | the IT operations part of it, yes | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | hard to start this conv properly til confluence migration is complete | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | philippe would prefer that Tools focus on requirements, rather than implementation | 14:49 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx prefers that we prove things, get stuff working at pilot/poc level... then hand to (others in) genivi for full implementation | 14:54 |
| paulsherwood | most folks agree with gunnarx_ :) | 14:58 |
| paulsherwood | - AOB - | 14:58 |
| paulsherwood | gunnarx_ believes gerrit is probably best choice for code review | 15:02 |
| paulsherwood | +1 from me | 15:02 |
| gunnarx_ | yes, coming from the perspective "let's just choose something" | 15:02 |
| gunnarx_ | ...it makes sense | 15:03 |
| paulsherwood | == GENIVI Tools Team Meeting ends == | |